2023 HasLab - Avengers: Beyond Earth's Mightiest

[UpDog]

I will never not regret (and slightly resent) that it didn’t get made, but so it goes. Hopefully they get around to Robbie on his own sooner than later because the Ramen Toy Hellcharger is looking like it could be a more than worthy substitute.

Looks like the Ramen toys Hell Charger is gonna be about $250 for the car. Now, I’m obviously not any kind of math genius like a lot of these YouTubers, but what is 250 plus the cost of say…4 figures that would retail at 25 dollars a piece? Can someone get Talker Art or Articulated Ninja or any of the other forensic accountants from the Haslab thread on the line, I need to know.


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[PG-Superfan]

I will never not regret (and slightly resent) that it didn’t get made, but so it goes. Hopefully they get around to Robbie on his own sooner than later because the Ramen Toy Hellcharger is looking like it could be a more than worthy substitute.

Looks like the Ramen toys Hell Charger is gonna be about $250 for the car. Now, I’m obviously not any kind of math genius like a lot of these YouTubers, but what is 250 plus the cost of say…4 figures that would retail at 25 dollars a piece? Can someone get Talker Art or Articulated Ninja or any of the other forensic accountants from the Haslab thread on the line, I need to know.


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If you preorder, it's $175 early discount for the car and another $11 for either flame accessories or alternate car parts.

Granted, shipping is extra but it shouldn't run $250.

[LipSmack]

I will never not regret (and slightly resent) that it didn’t get made, but so it goes. Hopefully they get around to Robbie on his own sooner than later because the Ramen Toy Hellcharger is looking like it could be a more than worthy substitute.

Looks like the Ramen toys Hell Charger is gonna be about $250 for the car. Now, I’m obviously not any kind of math genius like a lot of these YouTubers, but what is 250 plus the cost of say…4 figures that would retail at 25 dollars a piece? Can someone get Talker Art or Articulated Ninja or any of the other forensic accountants from the Haslab thread on the line, I need to know.


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If you preorder, it's $175 early discount for the car and another $11 for either flame accessories or alternate car parts.

Granted, shipping is extra but it shouldn't run $250.

So $20-$30 is saved, which might be the licensing... Lol

[spideyboy1111]

That Batmobile and the Charger as designed are a ways away from being comparable products. Kudos to McFarlane for bringing it in at such a low price, and pretty clearly the Charger should have been similarly designed with minimal features to come in cheaper, but as is they seem quite different.

Plus the Batwing is $250, so at least include that information while trying to work backwards to what things “should” cost.

I am happy for people who are getting an affordable ‘89 Batmobile though!

Yeah. I think the Charger had way too many features and unrelated tiers.

But I did some math awhile back on the DC Forum. And based on my guess, the Batwing is probably in a box the size of Galactus, similar weight to Galactus, and probably equivalent tooling to around a 16 POA figure that's Galactus sized.

Now, you aren't getting the articulation/parts count of Galactus or the electronics (which add complexity more than they add to manufacturing cost, as electronics mean you'll have duds that have to be refunded/exchanged).

But you probably could get a 32" Megafig from Todd for $250 with slightly better articulation than his $40 8-11" Megafigs.

Same weight as a full Batwing, same box size, same tooling costs more than likely. At a certain point, parts count isn't a huge factor versus something made up entirely of 1.5 foot long pieces. A lot of steel goes into the mold regardless.

And a 32" figure or vehicle pretty much uses as much plastic as 8-10 6-7" figures.

The only thing really comparable at the cheaper end is probably Todd's Violator Spawn Megafig which is crouched in the box and over a foot tall and around 3 pounds. And I honestly don't see how he made money on that one, if he did. It's just an absurd beast of a toy and commonly available for around $30.

I agree with most if this, but pretty confident the batwing will be a bit lighter than galactus, there's no reason all that plastic needs to be solid and heavy

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[Magnuz]

None of these are truly comparable because Todd's offerings lack electronics and are probably largely hollow shell molds with less moving parts.

What it shows though is value oriented versions of something. Robbies charger could have been less and the Ramen charger shows that. An independently produced product can undercut the price of a major company says alot.

There was probably alot of people dismissing the charger as not necessary which means popularity was the biggest issue. Cost was another and despite the added figures the core item is always the cost/value ratio key and it never looked worth 350, it should have been 250.

You can't apples to apples compare the charger to the burton batmobile but you can compare it more reasonably to the hot wheels rc batmobile which at $100 has full suspension, lights, rubber tires and full rc functionality. So asking for a plastic car without rc but the lights, some more opening parts and swapping components for 100 more doesn't seem unreasonable.


Either way we probably don't need another thread destroyed over the hellcharger.

[H-bird]

Yeah I am deliberately trying to avoid responding to discussions over what things should cost. I will say I saw that second diagram on reddit a few days ago, and I think measuring things along a single dimension is an absolutely abysmal way to compare value of very different things.

[UpDog]

Yeah I am deliberately trying to avoid responding to discussions over what things should cost. I will say I saw that second diagram on reddit a few days ago, and I think measuring things along a single dimension is an absolutely abysmal way to compare value of very different things.

Sounds like somebody doesn’t want to explain why legends cost more than a hula hoop (hula hoop bigger)


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[100ptsofarticulation]

There's no point in talking about the hell charger and stirring up old crap.

Either Hasbro needs to understand not every haslab needs to be $400 or fans need to accept that every haslab is going to be $400 regardless of weather it's worth it.

[Niteowl86]

put up that Ramen link!

[UpDog]

There's no point in talking about the hell charger and stirring up old crap.

Either Hasbro needs to understand not every haslab needs to be $400 or fans need to accept that every haslab is going to be $400 regardless of weather it's worth it.

I don’t really see “pointing out that a segment of the community made the last haslab a miserable slog was actually WRONG about their price delusions” as “stirring up old shit” but whatever. If you think that section of the fan base won’t do the same shit again unless they’re rightfully pressed and discredited you’re delusional


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[spideyboy1111]

Looks like the Ramen toys Hell Charger is gonna be about $250 for the car. Now, I’m obviously not any kind of math genius like a lot of these YouTubers, but what is 250 plus the cost of say…4 figures that would retail at 25 dollars a piece? Can someone get Talker Art or Articulated Ninja or any of the other forensic accountants from the Haslab thread on the line, I need to know.


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If you preorder, it's $175 early discount for the car and another $11 for either flame accessories or alternate car parts.

Granted, shipping is extra but it shouldn't run $250.

So $20-$30 is saved, which might be the licensing... Lol

Lol it is quite ironic... plus the LED lights were animated which was very cool

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[spideyboy1111]

None of these are truly comparable because Todd's offerings lack electronics and are probably largely hollow shell molds with less moving parts.

What it shows though is value oriented versions of something. Robbies charger could have been less and the Ramen charger shows that. An independently produced product can undercut the price of a major company says alot.

There was probably alot of people dismissing the charger as not necessary which means popularity was the biggest issue. Cost was another and despite the added figures the core item is always the cost/value ratio key and it never looked worth 350, it should have been 250.

You can't apples to apples compare the charger to the burton batmobile but you can compare it more reasonably to the hot wheels rc batmobile which at $100 has full suspension, lights, rubber tires and full rc functionality. So asking for a plastic car without rc but the lights, some more opening parts and swapping components for 100 more doesn't seem unreasonable.


Either way we probably don't need another thread destroyed over the hellcharger.

Popularity is definitely a factor. But I think an even bigger one is Hasbro pretends the price is the base price when I think its fairly obvious they factor in the tiers when pricing it to give the illusion you're getting them for free.

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[TheSameIdiot]

There's no point in talking about the hell charger and stirring up old crap.

Either Hasbro needs to understand not every haslab needs to be $400 or fans need to accept that every haslab is going to be $400 regardless of weather it's worth it.

I don’t really see “pointing out that a segment of the community made the last haslab a miserable slog was actually WRONG about their price delusions” as “stirring up old shit” but whatever. If you think that section of the fan base won’t do the same shit again unless they’re rightfully pressed and discredited you’re delusional


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Usually they just post through it, even if they are discredited.

[PG-Superfan]

None of these are truly comparable because Todd's offerings lack electronics and are probably largely hollow shell molds with less moving parts.

What it shows though is value oriented versions of something. Robbies charger could have been less and the Ramen charger shows that. An independently produced product can undercut the price of a major company says alot.

There was probably alot of people dismissing the charger as not necessary which means popularity was the biggest issue. Cost was another and despite the added figures the core item is always the cost/value ratio key and it never looked worth 350, it should have been 250.

You can't apples to apples compare the charger to the burton batmobile but you can compare it more reasonably to the hot wheels rc batmobile which at $100 has full suspension, lights, rubber tires and full rc functionality. So asking for a plastic car without rc but the lights, some more opening parts and swapping components for 100 more doesn't seem unreasonable.


Either way we probably don't need another thread destroyed over the hellcharger.

I think it wasn't necessary "pure greed" on Hasbro's part as some claim so much as feature creep and odd choices.

Didn't the EoV have both a functional axle for wheel turning but hooked up to the steering wheel?

So... I doubt the Batmobile here has a functional axle. But does it NEED one?

Likewise, EoV had sculpted door interiors and a trunk. But the interior of the trunk had no sculpted detail.

Again, it just feels like feature creep drove the base price up.

And, like I said, I seriously doubt they save enough at 11k units to "throw in" a free 11k+ figures and so on. So essentially they have to charge you for the figures regardless of whether they hit the goals to unlock them.

Get rid of the Earlybird and tiers and you could probably knock $100-120 off the price.

And here's the irony:

I think a plussed out Batmobile at $350 with 4 figures would sell. People would pay a premium for that Batmobile.

With Robbie? I think he has a few thousand hardcore fans. He has a lot more "casual" fans who would pick him up cheap. (And you're limiting your reach with non-fans by not licensing an actual Charger. If you did, you'd have people who collect Dodge memorabilia buying it. But that may be expensive or impossible! Dodge may not want their engine on fire in toy form!)

I think if you made the cheapest viable Legends scale Hellcharger, you'd sell a bunch. Every luxury feature you can think to add probably costs you ten buyers over the added price for every one it attracts.

[JTMarsh]

In all fairness, I've used the electronics on my sentinel maybe 6 or 7 times and then never again. It's a nice feature, but the eyes DON'T stay on, it doesn't do any "sentinel sounds / commands" and the tendril ports, while cool, means no light-in-hand "laser" either. So it's not like the Sentinel was some fully tricked-out item as much as it could have been. I like mine, but it's mostly a centerpiece for the figures more than anything.

If Todd could do another Batmobile, perhaps based more on the Batman Returns one, and this time have a lower profile canopy, I'd definitely be all over that. My gripes with this one are the windows appear to be mostly clear, the canopy is too tall (just make it so you have to lodge the figure deeper in the cockpit if needbe) and the canopy appears to be made of a different colored less-than-black plastic.