2023 HasLab - Avengers: Beyond Earth's Mightiest

[H-bird]

I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest this, but when they do this costume for Wasp they should include an extra head to make Dragonfly.

[renfield75]

I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest this, but when they do this costume for Wasp they should include an extra head to make Dragonfly.

That's pretty brilliant. The costumes aren't an exact match but they're close enough for me! Probably the only way we'd ever get a Dragonfly figure.

[Basil Elks]

Well with a removable collar, and an add-on skirt, it could work out.

[JTMarsh]

In all fairness, I've used the electronics on my sentinel maybe 6 or 7 times and then never again. It's a nice feature, but the eyes DON'T stay on, it doesn't do any "sentinel sounds / commands" and the tendril ports, while cool, means no light-in-hand "laser" either. So it's not like the Sentinel was some fully tricked-out item as much as it could have been. I like mine, but it's mostly a centerpiece for the figures more than anything.

If Todd could do another Batmobile, perhaps based more on the Batman Returns one, and this time have a lower profile canopy, I'd definitely be all over that. My gripes with this one are the windows appear to be mostly clear, the canopy is too tall (just make it so you have to lodge the figure deeper in the cockpit if needbe) and the canopy appears to be made of a different colored less-than-black plastic.

I've seen people knock the lack of electronics on the Batwing specifically.

But in general, electronics would only add a few dollars to the manufacturing cost.

There are OTHER good reasons not to do them from a manufacturer's perspective or ask for them.

I appreciate your insight, however, I myself took the batteries OUT of my Sentinel just on the basis that I don't want them corroding inside it over time if I forget they're in there. I can understand quick shut off times on things like a Batwing / Batmobile, as honestly I don't know what feature either of those would have that I'd need to keep running constantly. It's moreso for the novelty and nostalgia of something new and improved over the Break-away Batman II car I had as a kid. I think it also speaks partly to how cheaply a lot of manufacturers are going now. While I don't dispute your points about longevity, the E-Frames with electronics in them from the old ExoSquad line I had in 1994 still work, both lights and sound-wise. All in, I'm more impressed that toys that are nearly 30 years old fare better than most stuff you buy today. I'm still happy to have both, but that's my "they don't make em like they used to," rant for today.

[UpDog]

Funny, as I recall (and I bet plenty of other people in the community would concur), the most unbearably annoying thing about the toy community during that entire period of time was the very small contingent of collectors who repeatedly belittled other people simply because they shared their "negative" opinions about this toy and how much it costs on toy collector social media (imagine that, sharing your opinions about something on social media).

You know, kinda like you and 2 or 3 others incessantly did here at The Fwoosh.

Yet, despite the fact that they and you were repeatedly discredited - and not just when the HasLab failed miserably - here you are, doing it all over again.

Usually they just post through it, even if they are discredited.

I am once again asking you what $250 for a car + 4 figures at $25 a piece is.

You and your ilk were SO certain that the price was a rip off, not that it was too high for YOU to want it, which nobody would begrudge, but incessantly insisted that the price itself was inflated, a rip off for the rubes that wanted it. because of "has your dough" or whatever greed. Unfortunately we can't play back the tape.

[Magnuz]

As others said, the haslab price should reflect the main item itself and not the possible stretch goals. Stretch goals are intended as incentive to push more sales but the primary item should be worth the cost on its own.


I was happy to pay 400 for galactus, its an impressive one off piece of limited production with some cool features and a few accessories. The extra figures were added bonus but not integral to the value.

Robbie and the car should have been 250 and the extra figures which were mismatched and primarily reuse didn't merit another 100.

300 would have been more palatable but in the end the cost wasn't the biggest issue. It seems cleat the character just didn't have the weight of interest enough to push sales. Much like cookie monster or the rancor. Mixture of popularity and value proposition are maybe equal issues that killed the project.

[sepster]

Warning! FRAT! :

Don't see much sense in comparing the Ramen Toys product or its pricing with the HasLab. They're a tiny indy company - obviously they're not going to be able to compete with a multinational corporation.

I don't think it's fair to draw any direct comparison between the HasLab and the Batmobile, either. What seems more reasonable is the indirect comparison of character selection and price point.

Sure, the Batmobile probably won't look or feel as nice as the Hellcharger. And yet it sold out immediately. Why? Because it's Batman and it costs $60! What an obvious marketing choice, no? Make something related to a character that your customer base is familiar with and actually wants, and don't ask an arm and a leg for it. But the key word is Batman.

Galactus was expensive, but people paid for it, even if they thought it was overpriced, because they actually wanted a Galactus. Same goes for the Sentinel.

The most important factor in the HasLab's failure wasn't the price, it was the character selection.

It's one thing to spend $30-$50 on a figure of a character you don't now/don't like/have barely heard of; it's another to spend $400.

Most toy collectors don't care about Robbie Reyes. Hasbro should have tried to get them onboard by making it an accessible accessory that toy collectors could find a use for even if they don't know Reyes. People bought a freaking Barbie doll car so they could use it with their figures, because it was reasonably priced.

Instead, Hasbro priced it to be completely inaccessible to all those people whose only interest in this was as a generic toy/ACBA accessory, and doubled down by holding hostage products that their customers actually do want behind this paywall.

There's no point in talking about the hell charger and stirring up old crap.

Either Hasbro needs to understand not every haslab needs to be $400 or fans need to accept that every haslab is going to be $400 regardless of weather it's worth it.

I don’t really see “pointing out that a segment of the community made the last haslab a miserable slog was actually WRONG about their price delusions” as “stirring up old shit” but whatever. If you think that section of the fan base won’t do the same shit again unless they’re rightfully pressed and discredited you’re delusional


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Funny, as I recall (and I bet plenty of other people in the community would concur), the most unbearably annoying thing about the toy community during that entire period of time was the very small contingent of collectors who repeatedly belittled other people simply because they shared their "negative" opinions about this toy and how much it costs on toy collector social media (imagine that, sharing your opinions about something on social media).

You know, kinda like you and 2 or 3 others incessantly did here at The Fwoosh.

Yet, despite the fact that they and you were repeatedly discredited - and not just when the HasLab failed miserably - here you are, doing it all over again.

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This is a real rich take.

[UpDog]

As others said, the haslab price should reflect the main item itself and not the possible stretch goals. Stretch goals are intended as incentive to push more sales but the primary item should be worth the cost on its own.


I was happy to pay 400 for galactus, its an impressive one off piece of limited production with some cool features and a few accessories. The extra figures were added bonus but not integral to the value.

Robbie and the car should have been 250 and the extra figures which were mismatched and primarily reuse didn't merit another 100.

300 would have been more palatable but in the end the cost wasn't the biggest issue. It seems cleat the character just didn't have the weight of interest enough to push sales. Much like cookie monster or the rancor. Mixture of popularity and value proposition are maybe equal issues that killed the project.

I don't disagree with that, pushing the 350 value tied to just the car was a misstep, while obviously I think there was a lot of meaningless static that contributed to it's failure, Hasbro definitely made mistakes, it's hard to narrow it down to "just one reason", especially when I don't think there is just one reason. Hasbro isn't blameless in it's failure, they spent nearly the whole campaign on the backfoot and really didn't put up much of a fight for it. 350 may have just been too much to ask for that particular set, same way 400 was too much of an ask for me personally to buy Galactus. I probably wouldn't even spend 100 dollars on a quinnjet, because it's not worth that to me, but I'd hesitate to see any haslab and immediately go "oh they're price gouging". I understand people have different priorities and as much as I love Robbie, he's obviously not the needle mover of a character the project needed (I maintain they should've packed in Blade from the Get-Go). I think if they had marketed it as 350 box set and car full package from day one it would've done better, maybe not enough though.

My axe to grind here is the people who pushed the narrative that it wasn't a fair price, that the whole package could've been done for significantly less, based on nothing (pulling out all kinds of bullshit comparisons) and trumpeting up Ramen Toys as "the alternative to hasbros greed" only for the Ramen Toys offering to be more or less comparatively priced, and really still no guarantee it'll be produced (no slight at Ramen Toys, they just wouldn't be the first company of their kind to get something 95% of the way there and then it fall apart somewhere before the finish line). They also insisted Mephisto, Hellstrom, and String Bikini Goblin Queen were just around the corner, also based on nothing. And I think it's worthwhile to point out that they were wrong.

I do think all these things are relevant to the coming Haslab, both in how Hasbro will approach it and how they can encourage the best fan reaction.

[spideyboy1111]

As others said, the haslab price should reflect the main item itself and not the possible stretch goals. Stretch goals are intended as incentive to push more sales but the primary item should be worth the cost on its own.


I was happy to pay 400 for galactus, its an impressive one off piece of limited production with some cool features and a few accessories. The extra figures were added bonus but not integral to the value.

Robbie and the car should have been 250 and the extra figures which were mismatched and primarily reuse didn't merit another 100.

300 would have been more palatable but in the end the cost wasn't the biggest issue. It seems cleat the character just didn't have the weight of interest enough to push sales. Much like cookie monster or the rancor. Mixture of popularity and value proposition are maybe equal issues that killed the project.

SHOULD is the key word... but none of the marvel legends haslabs have really reflected the price of the primary product. $350 for the sentinel was the closest as the female prime sentinel was the only figure tier for that, the rest were just additions for the sentinel itself you could swap (not even something you could use all of).

$400 was very high for galactus, and i think the majority knew it as well. He didn't even fund until 2 days prior to it's last... but once it funded, FOMO kicked in and the tiers unlocked.

Hasbro isn't doing Haslabs by the same playbook as smaller company crowdfundings and it's very obvious.

[CTVampSlayer]

If you ain't got no money take your broke ass home

[RoyalCollector]

Only if I can drive home in this.

[CTVampSlayer]

omg, my sister had this when we were kids and I used to put my wrestlers in it

[EnigmaticClarity]

I kinda regret buying the Bratz car now. Barely useful with Legends, and too big for twelfth scale--although oddly too small for the Bratz they were made for. The only Legends that look sized right for it are big guys who shouldn't fit in it at all like Colossus, Hulk, etc.

[EnigmaticClarity]

omg, my sister had this when we were kids and I used to put my wrestlers in it

You can still get it now. A bunch of us bought it during the Hellcharger Haslab campaign who were just wanting a 1:12 scale car, although it's really more like 1:10 scale. Amazon has it for $45:

[Hulkwummy]

No vehicles, only characters. We don't want a repeat of the Engine of Vengeance failure.