Masterverse: 7” He-Man line

[Mr potatohead]

I don't know about that, but what about attaching a thin layer of black cloth (swatch) on it?
https://www.davidsbridal.com/product/bl ... watchblack

[Evil Monkey Pope]

That could work.

[pulpy fiction]

Is it possible to paint the back of Evil-Lyn's bat cape black without it bleeding through or becoming too stiff?

The capes that masterverse have been using is pretty sheer, and thin. I think paint would bleed through, so Mr. Potatohead's idea sounds pretty good. Otherwise, if it was a little thicker I would have tried airbrushing it. I just don't think this material would take the paint without it going through to the other side.

[KnightDamien]

First off no. It had just been quiet on this topic for days and I thought it was put to bed, and you brought it out again so late in the game, and it was directed at me

Oh, I see. So it's a time limit, thing. If I have to take time to respond because I have other things I need to do besides post on a message board, then any response I make after your arbitrary time limit is 'stirring the pot?' That's very.. something. But I think you may be drastically misunderstanding the purpose of a 'message board' in comparison to, say, a chatroom.

Or, perhaps, it's fair to say that your characterization of my responding to your post -in which you quoted me and were directly responding to me in an ongoing conversation- as 'stirring the pot' was not on the level?

You and I aren't chatting. We were posting in a public forum, you chose to direct your comments at me. Others had also chimed in and gave their thoughts, so this isn't just a you and me conversation, it's a public thread.

I feel like you're purposely misunderstanding. We're chatting in the sense that our posts have quoted each other and been directed -at- each other. Yes, other people have and absolutely should chime in. But any suggestion that you and I weren't directly communicating with one another is just silliness. Chatting back and forth, if you will. But based on the rest of your post, I should admit that I didn't realize this little back-and-forth was so hostile on your end.

I get what you are saying, but you have been previously saying things in absolutes instead of what your belief is. IE: The issue is "this looks like absolute shit. Which it does." Or, "It's just bad. It's so bad." Instead of something "like in my opinion it's bad", etc. You are using generalized statements and then now afterwards saying it was personal opinion. It makes it hard to get that for someone reading you, especially after you state this midstream through the discussion.

Again, I just don't understand why it would be considered necessary to preface every statement about matters that are intrinsically subjective with 'in my opinion.' I'm already extremely wordy, so I absolutely try to trim (although I'm sure it often doesn't seem it). I don't think I've met many people, even among the snootiest toy collectors, that thought 'this is ugly' was an objective statement of fact.

I'm arguing proportions here, and they are off. I explained myself clearly about what it suggests

My point was that the photoshop doesn't intend to 'fix the head.' It's not a semi-professional complete remake. It fixes the issues that are making the face look weird - like drawing red lines through a manuscript isn't the same as re-writing the chapter. Calling out where the issues are is different from re-making the object in question entirely.

Matt's photoshop job addresses the -problems- with the head (IN MY OPINION!!!!!!) in terms of the actual sculpt. The size of the head itself is irrelevant to that. And really, almost all of the heads in Masterverse are way too small. (Do I have to say 'in my opinion' again on that?)

I wasn't the one who brought this out again and quoted me to direct it back at me specifically, so who is trying to convince who.

You realize how crazy this sounds, right?
You -quoted me- and -responded directly to me- in your post. When I responded back to you, you act like I've somehow called you out. Honestly, dude. Are you okay?

You got things waaaay off, and I think it might be a little harder to watch you go off trying to "put me in my place" based on a false pretense

I honestly have NO clue what you're on about. Your persecution complex here is super weird. All I did was explain that your claim that it's about Dolph's likeness issue - which was precisely what your original post that I quoted was about -- wasn't what I thought the problem was and I've gone on at length about why I don't like the head and why most people I've seen commenting on it have said they don't like it, or why they seem not to based on their comments, and how your characterization of it being 'because of X' seems to be more about what you think than objective observations or listening to other people who are -telling- you why they don't like it.
I have no idea how you get 'putting you in your place' out of that. But man, I think you should talk to someone because if that's the place you go to when someone says 'nah, I think you're wrong about that' and explains why - very casually - I just don't know what to tell you.

There's more to your post, but I'm just gonna cut it off here because if I go too long I'm sure it will just feed into this idea that you have that I'm somehow 'going off' on you. Or whatever.







Any of the Canadian Masterverse collectors seeing Two-Bad yet? I'll be all over town tomorrow so I'm thinking of trying to check a few TRUs in my travels, but I'm not feeling hopeful that I'm going to see new. I don't think they even had the deluxe Beast Man the last time I was there. And it doesn't look like EB Games is even carrying Masterverse anymore. Or not regularly getting stock, I suppose.

[pulpy fiction]

Oh, I see. So it's a time limit, thing. If I have to take time to respond because I have other things I need to do besides post on a message board, then any response I make after your arbitrary time limit is 'stirring the pot?' That's very.. something. But I think you may be drastically misunderstanding the purpose of a 'message board' in comparison to, say, a chatroom.
Or, perhaps, it's fair to say that your characterization of my responding to your post -in which you quoted me and were directly responding to me in an ongoing conversation- as 'stirring the pot' was not on the level?

No, you previously said I was going on about it, and after it had gone quiet on the subject, you decided after days to come back and dredge it up, so in that sense, yes, you are stirring the pot again. No there isn't a time limit on this, but after accusing me about holding on to it, it's you who kept it going, days later after everybody else dropped it. It's not about how a message board works in this case, it's more about everyone else moving on and you continuing on with it, instead of letting it go as well. The very definition of stirring the pot. It's not even meant in a bad way, it's a colloquialism about getting into a previously contested discussed topic.
As for for you referring to me as hostile, questioning if I'm ok, and have a persecution complex, this is the kind of thing that I'm referring to you creating a false narrative. Like this:

When I responded back to you, you act like I've somehow called you out. Honestly, dude. Are you okay?

That's what you did in the first place. You called me out to tell me how I was wrong. I'm just responding. I'm having a discourse, and told you it was not taken in offense or intended in offense, However for a person trying to claim that they aren't trying to be offensive, you are using some pretty harsh terms here. It looks like you are trying to twist it to play out like your a victim here dealing with a crazy person. Using a little character assassination instead of discussing the topic.
You did call me out first, and I'm responding to you. You are acting like I'm attacking you, even though you initiated this, and continued it long after everyone else let it go. You act as if I'm being "hostile", but I'm just responding to what you are saying. You are the one using inflammatory statements in reference to my character. What I'm talking about when I say you are trying to "put me in my place" for lack of a better term, is conforming to your side of the opinion. Creating a narrative like I'm unhinged or there is something wrong with me. Telling me who I am, and what my issues are. Now telling me I'm being hostile, and have issues, after responding without attacking your character, which you are doing with these kinds of inflammatory statements. There's no need for that, we're having a discussion. If anybody is being hostile it's you, and clearly you couldn't let this go either.

My point was that the photoshop doesn't intend to 'fix the head.' It's not a semi-professional complete remake. It fixes the issues that are making the face look weird - like drawing red lines through a manuscript isn't the same as re-writing the chapter. Calling out where the issues are is different from re-making the object in question entirely.

Matt's photoshop job addresses the -problems- with the head (IN MY OPINION!!!!!!) in terms of the actual sculpt. The size of the head itself is irrelevant to that. And really, almost all of the heads in Masterverse are way too small. (Do I have to say 'in my opinion' again on that?)

You are just creating a straw-man argument here. In opposition to your statement on it, Matt created these edits that he felt fixed the head, so with his edits it would of "turned out fine" in his mind, or fixed his issues with the original sculpt. I already addressed what I find proportion issues with his edits, which his edits are suppose to address, and i disagree that it correctly addresses the "problems" with the head, and that it goes too far. As you state, the Masterverse heads generally being small, that is a problem with the line, and this edit version would fall under this problem. It doesn't address it, and fails to fix that and that supplements my argument. Where it sat on the neck would further exaggerate the problem. As for your analogy of manuscript edits, it's an apples to oranges argument. This is clearly not what is happening. It''s difference of deleting lines from a script as to edit by omitting ideas, as compared to editing and actually reworking/changing a concept (in this case an image) into something new. They are complete separate processes, unalike, and have completely different results. Your analogy is off. Using your analogy, it would be more like taking the taking the remarked chapter and rewriting it from these red mark edits. Or like in this case taking the original project (our image), and editing it to anew (The head fix image to suit Matt's idea to be fine).
I'm addressing that his edits go too far, and isn't right for the body or character now, and that is on topic. Of course designing a new head would create an open canvas to fixing the problem, but we aren't discussing that, we are discussing how the edits provided either did or did not "fix" the problem, and I don't feel it worked, and already previously stated why.

I apologize that I read you making blanket statements. No you don't have to write in my opinion, but it does help if you do say something like I believe, or I think, I find etc. It really isn't so much about your opinion or statement of fact, but being your intended reader, it felt you were still trying to dispute your opinion. Really it felt you were trying to make an argument to which I was responding. Especially when I'm saying the head is subjective, and people are having differing opinions, and you are saying it's just bad in response. I may have taken it wrong, but it just read like you were still trying to argue it in response, to which I disagreed. I figure we are having a discussion, so I'm throwing all the relative points I can think of.
(again to make myself clear, me personally, I don't really like it, I just see it as ok, not necessarily bad though. For not getting Dolph I didn't expect much for a generic big dude head, especially from this line and it's track record with heads)

I could go on here, but I think you and I are beating a dead horse here, and it's not like either has or will change the others opinion here.
Please don't take that I have some ill will against you. I just disagree with what you have been saying, and some of the ways you went about it.

Also, as a Canadian in south-western Ontario, out of the couple of T.R.U's and Walmarts I've been to this week, no luck on seeing any Two-Bad figures.

[mattmurdog]

By no means did I think my edits of the head would truly "fix" Mattel's problem. It was there to illustrate that they could have at least done that to the awful head and made it slightly less awful. As it is, it reminds me of these guys...

[pulpy fiction]

By no means did I think my edits of the head would truly "fix" Mattel's problem. It was there to illustrate that they could have at least done that to the awful head and made it slightly less awful. As it is, it reminds me of these guys...

I never said that either, and I didn't say either of you said that.
Also no slight against your work, the quality of your photoshop edits were quite clean and good.



I will say you did accomplish him not looking like these guys. Not that I thought it was this bad.

[PSPS13]

By no means did I think my edits of the head would truly "fix" Mattel's problem. It was there to illustrate that they could have at least done that to the awful head and made it slightly less awful. As it is, it reminds me of these guys...

Harsh but fair. (Saying it in jest, but side-by-side, they honestly do line up pretty close.)

So:
Don't collect MOTU (finances are finite, couldn't afford another widespread line, as much as I loved them as a kid), but got the two movie 'inspired' figures. Subjective, personal opinions from somebody who collects loads of toys, but no MOTU since an extensive collection of the vintage ones first time around-

Skeletor's superb. Outstanding.
Base body's too buff for my liking, but I get that they're using what they have and fudging these as interpretations within the existing style of the line, so: fine. No big deal. Bit bright for my liking, too- but that's a common modern trend in toys because people keep wanting figures to 'pop' amongst cluttered shelves, so, again: fine, thats the fashion, just not my time.
The head sculpt, though: incredible. Better than the Super 7 for me. Perfect. Just fantastic. Love it, very, very happy overall with this figure.

He-Man... General, broad consensus everywhere is he isn't as great, is he?
Same complaint as the crowd for me: That head. Jeez.
Body's much more appropriate on him, completely satisfied, armour's great (that back sheath is a ridiculous design in real life, though, innit?)...
But the head.
I fall into the category of those that are disappointed it's not an attempt at a likeness (shocking that Lundgren is seemingly so prohibitively expensive, he's hardly Nicholson), AND those that think the alternative is just a massively ugly attempt at *any* face, too. Fails twice for me.
Not ideal, but always been pretty OK with a head that looks nothing like an actor as long as it's still good (very early MCU Caps, for instance- nothing like Chris Evans, more like generic comic heads, but not ugly so they'll do fine), but whatever the intention here- it's my least liked head on any figure I can think of in years. Really spoils it for me and undoes some outstanding work otherwise.
Just such a weird decision. Appreciate the extra head that compounds the suggestion these are movie inspired figures presented as done via the Masterverse line- but this main He-man head as neither that OR an actor/art likeness (when Skeletor is) feels like it satisfies neither criteria desired. Confused and, to me, really poorly executed.

So: Grateful to have alternatives to the Super 7s (and I'd love more, especially gold/'God' Skeletor, as so much of him would be re-use), but that one head really sours and spoils the set for me, unfortunately. Big shame.

So:
Anybody bought from Ramen before, then? Never bought a custom head, but would absolutely consider theirs. What sort of price would we anticipate? Do they ship to the UK?
(I know the answers will be available soon enough, but there's no beating fellow collector's expertise and experience.)

[mattmurdog]

Ramen is expecting to sell theirs for $15USD and BBTS might even carry it. Otherwise it can be bought on their website. On IG I am noticing a few customizers also selling custom heads that don't look too bad either.

[PSPS13]

Ramen is expecting to sell theirs for $15USD and BBTS might even carry it. Otherwise it can be bought on their website. On IG I am noticing a few customizers also selling custom heads that don't look too bad either.

Awesome, thanks loads.
Probably worth it for me this time as a one off, then. I'm usually happy enough with a factory release but this really ruins this one when everything else is more than satisfactory for me.
I expect shipping/customs to bump that up a fair bit, and these are already considerably more expensive in the UK, so I won't make a habit of this, but glad the solution exists.
Cool. Will be very happy with these then.

[jesseallshouse412]

What's the best place to find an Alcala Skeletor head custom or otherwise? Preferably painted and without having to use sticky tack for my New Eternia Skeletor. I've seen some on eBay and IG but not sure what the best options are.

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[aceofknaves]

What's the best place to find an Alcala Skeletor head custom or otherwise? Preferably painted and without having to use sticky tack for my New Eternia Skeletor. I've seen some on eBay and IG but not sure what the best options are.

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The Alcala Skeletor head that comes with the Origins Rise of Evil set pops right on the Masterverse New Eternia Skeletor and looks *fantastic*.

[pulpy fiction]

What's the best place to find an Alcala Skeletor head custom or otherwise? Preferably painted and without having to use sticky tack for my New Eternia Skeletor. I've seen some on eBay and IG but not sure what the best options are.

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The Alcala Skeletor head that comes with the Origins Rise of Evil set pops right on the Masterverse New Eternia Skeletor and looks *fantastic*.

That set is a good idea! I have seen it go on sale at different online retailers a lot in the last few months. You should be able to grab that set at a good price, so I think you can get that for less than the cost of buying a painted cast. Plus it feels like you get more for your money. I didn't see it at retail where I'm at up here in Canada, but Amazon.com currently has if for under $20:
https://www.amazon.com/Master-Universe- ... C85&sr=8-2

[KnightDamien]

That's what you did in the first place. You called me out to tell me how I was wrong. I'm just responding. I'm having a discourse

Dude.. that's what I just said and you were like 'no, we're not chatting.' You know, another word for 'having a discourse.' I didn't 'call you out.' I just disagreed with you. And then when you respond it's okay, but when I respond to your response, I'm somehow attacking you or trying to 'put you in your place.' You're being absolutely ridiculous, back-peddling, and contradicting yourself. All because I said 'nah, I don't think that's right' to your original post. That's where all this comes from.

It looks like you are trying to twist it to play out like your a victim here dealing with a crazy person.

Definitely am not a 'victim.' But yeah, it very much feels like trying to deal with a crazy person. But here's the thing - if that feeling of hostility is because the way I spoke made you feel like I was attacking you ('calling you out' or 'putting you in your place') then let me say that I never intended that. I never wanted to make you feel attacked, and I apologize if that's how it came off. I do disagree with what it seemed, to me, like you were saying. That's all. And nothing else need to be said on that regard.

But again, if you took from my responses that I was just trying to attack you and belittle you because I disagreed with you, then obviously that's a failing in how I presented my points and, again, I apologize.

Body's much more appropriate on him, completely satisfied, armour's great (that back sheath is a ridiculous design in real life, though, innit?)...

As the resident 'Sword Guy' of Fwoosh... yes. The back sheath is ridiculous. But I do want to say, nostalgic love for it aside, that it's -less- ridiculous than regular back-scabbard designs you find in The Witcher and stuff like that. It can -theoretically- be drawn pretty easily. It's more just obnoxious to try to put away again and is just another great exhibit for the many reasons why soldiers throughout all of human history virtually (but not literally) never wore their swords like that.

I still love it, though.

Ramen is expecting to sell theirs for $15USD and BBTS might even carry it. Otherwise it can be bought on their website. On IG I am noticing a few customizers also selling custom heads that don't look too bad either.

Lots of nice ones I've seen on Insta. I think Ramen's is probably the best, though. I'm planning to pick it up if I can. Although I'm kind've also wondering if maybe I should just use the New Eternia alt head, which isn't a bad sculpt at all (the non-helmeted one).

The Alcala Skeletor head that comes with the Origins Rise of Evil set pops right on the Masterverse New Eternia Skeletor and looks *fantastic*.

That set was briefly discounted up here in Canada-land and I still kick myself for not grabbing it.

But I gotta think a more Alcala-looking Skeletor has to be in the cards for Masterverse eventually, right? It's easily one of Skeletor's most beloved looks among MOTU fans. It's like Filmation, Alcala, and then everything else. Even the original toy look seems to take a back seat to those two.

[jesseallshouse412]

What's the best place to find an Alcala Skeletor head custom or otherwise? Preferably painted and without having to use sticky tack for my New Eternia Skeletor. I've seen some on eBay and IG but not sure what the best options are.

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The Alcala Skeletor head that comes with the Origins Rise of Evil set pops right on the Masterverse New Eternia Skeletor and looks *fantastic*.

I would be very interested to see that. Has anyone done so and posted pics online?

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